Ban On 'OLD' cars

[RogerRust]

Hi Guys I have my moderator's hat on just now.

Please don't stray into political comments. It invariably causes offence and everyone gets on the band wagon. This site is for the promotion of the post war Morris Minor. Political comments add nothing to the value of the thread and tend to devalue the postings.

Thanks, Roger.

[chickenjohn]

gonna be nice to have a Scottish prime minister in few months isn't it. Live in Scotland, make rules to screw England. Laugh while your counting the English notes.

British Prime Minister. Lets not have a division here...we are all in the same boat! ....If Edinburgh does go ahead with their proposed plan (and going on their past history, they will) then i really will feel sorry for the classic owners within their area...but remember this...if they do get their way on this issue....then it could be your town next!!! So please, lets not have any division on these issues...lets stick together and try defeat them, after all, we all on here have a common interest.

No political comment, I'm just stating the fact that it is a problem, constitutionally (if we had one) because Scotland has its own parliament and England does not. BTW, mr moderator, I'm not stirring trouble- just stating facts- as all my family live in Scotland and I visit regularly.

But yes, agreed, Time to put poltical/country differences aside and stand up to the beurocrats who would ruin the whole thing

Jusr heard on the radio there are two million untaxed cars in the UK and 80% of those are uninsured and unroadworthy- so why are they pickjing on a few old cars when there are ,ore important issues to be tackled??

[Chris Morley]

Just heard on the radio there are two million untaxed cars in the UK and 80% of those are uninsured and unroadworthy

I was chatting to my MOT man today (doing the wife's car, not my Moggie). Apparently a few days ago the police set up a check on the Uxbridge road and within 10 minutes they had impounded 14 cars without insurance, including two expensive BMW saloons. The key to all this was the new DVLA computer which instantly flags up non-insured cars. At last something seems to be happening about this problem...

Question: Would you classify DVLA staff & Police as 'Bureaucrats'?

[chickenjohn]

People who do something useful for others are not beaurocrats. Those who make laws for the sake of it and cause problems for others are.

DVLA and the Police would both benefit from a reduction of beaurocacy, and the unnecessary paperwork that goes with it. They would be able to do their jobs better without it.

[Chris Morley]

Can't really comment about DVLA staff though I suspect you are right. Certainly the police are totally hobbled by paperwork (apparently there's a 3 page form each time they stop someone). However I think your ire should be focused entirely at local & national politicians.

A ban on all older cars implies very sloppy thinking by the politicians - it is better to use existing cars for as long as possible if you are concerned about energy usage, overall pollution, use of natural resources or carbon emissions. New cars however score well when it comes to pollution reduction - but only in the area where they are used.

[gairlochrosie]

But is that not only true after the cat heats up. If it is the case, what about all those short jorneys where they must be pumping out just as much gasses.....

[chickenjohn]

Can't really comment about DVLA staff though I suspect you are right. Certainly the police are totally hobbled by paperwork (apparently there's a 3 page form each time they stop someone). However I think your ire should be focused entirely at local & national politicians.

A ban on all older cars implies very sloppy thinking by the politicians - it is better to use existing cars for as long as possible if you are concerned about energy usage, overall pollution, use of natural resources or carbon emissions. New cars however score well when it comes to pollution reduction - but only in the area where they are used.

I agree with you, and for the record have nothing against either the Police of DVLA staff. They don;t make the rules, they just have to enforce them. My ire is focused, on politicians - Euro as well as national and local.

[Chris Morley]

But is that not only true after the cat heats up. If it is the case, what about all those short jorneys where they must be pumping out just as much gasses.....

Quite right Norrie - typically a modern car has to run several minutes before the cat starts working properly. Of course by restricting the exhaust it continuously saps 1.5-2% of engine output, meaning more fuel is wasted and more carbon released into the atmosphere.

In creating a catalytic converter it would be interesting to know how much environmental damage is caused by mining the various metals, not to mention the amount of energy used in the process and in the creation of the finished product. I would hazard a guess that (overall) they are bad news for the planet.

[chickenjohn]

Chris, you hit the nail on the head, a Minor doing up to 47mpg has to be a green car- all things considered!

[grahamt7]

Gordon Bennett! 47 mpg? That's the stuff dreams are made of! (Currently languishing at 26mpg and considering giving it up as a bad job. )

[les]

Quote:
Mal - It's called Visit Scotland


No thanks

Perhaps you've never been there, lovely roads and scenery.
ps; I don't work for the Tb

[chickenjohn]

Gordon Bennett! 47 mpg? That's the stuff dreams are made of! (Currently languishing at 26mpg and considering giving it up as a bad job. )

There is something badly wrong with your Minor or its in dire need of a service if thats all the fuel consumption you are getting! I get 25mpg driving my Porsche 944 to work and that has a 3.0L engine giving 211Bhp. The Traveller gives 39mpg in normal use- never worse than 35mpg. 44mpg + on a long run- thats what I averaged over the whole Isle of wight trip (including some town driving). 47mpg is apparently achievable if you drive carefully and live in Holland.

[badfelafel]

First point... so what !! who wants to go to Edinburgh anyway
Second point.. if they do, we should stop all their old cars using our roads in England

Mal

quite... sure its the brewery that gives off the stench, and not the councillors?