Help with lights

[Maria1959morris]

Good Afternoon firstly can I say this discussion prob been had loads of time how ever I need put this post up as I could do with bit of help regarding lights . Will be a long post as I try to explain my situation in which I am sorry for. So number 1 I have a 1959 morris minor which I have been working on for bit of time now . I am at the stage where I am changing lights I want to put it back to original I have purchased 2 rear stop lamps 59 in year to be specific I have purchased 2 indicator for rear 2 for front and 2 side lights for front . Original side lights for front so in sense returning 2 stop brake lights on rear to original adding 2indicators to rear I'm fitting front back to small side lights and adding 2 indicators to front I am not doing the wiring myself as am not good with wiring . So the person who is doing it asked about rear side lights as only figured today if I'm correct the ones I bought from esm which I will put picture up is on brake lights not sidelight so I'll be buying some rear sidelights to add so my question is on the rear where shoukd input the indicators and if I add side light which I'm advised to do for night time where what kind shoukd I go with and for front I was going to put small sidelight back where it should be under headlamp like original and add indicator where best to put this I will now upload some pics of what I have and if anyone has pictures of there could u put them up as I really need some ideas as how to proceed many thanks inadvance

[Maria1959morris]

The flat indicator was gonna put on front with s all side light and pointy out one with brake light on rear so I'd need idea as what type rear side light to add and where to place it for rear thanks and same for front where to place indicator thanks

[ManyMinors]

The red rear light you have pictured with a chromed angled base is a copy of the original lights fitted to your car. It will contain a double filament bulb and operated as a tail light (side light) AND brake light. You will also require an indicator light - something like those you have shown, with an amber lens, which you can fit to the wing above the rear light or onto a bracket below the rear bumper. You don't need anything else at the back.

At the front, I would fit a similar light to the rear indicator (A Lucas L488) but with a clear lens and double filament bulb so that it can be used as a sidelamp AND flashing indicator. This will be perfectly functional, neater and less costly than fitting the Lucas L489 type lights you have pictured above. This is what I have used on my similar age Minor.

[Maria1959morris]

Thanks when the person fitted the brake light it only light up when applying the brake pedal would that be correct this is why he saying it need some rear tail lights shoukd the blight light up as a side light then as brake light at the moment it's only comming up as brake when pedal is touched unless it's wired wrong

[Maria1959morris]

That's the light closer pict to be shure

[geoberni]

OK
I'm sorry, but I can't cope with trying to read some 300+ words in one great lump like that, so I'm partly guessing what you're trying to achieve.

You mentioned 'Putting it back to original' but we don't know what you have now.

Original would be Trafficators and not indicators.

If you want to include Indicators, the typical thing back in the day was to add 4 of the Lucas l488 with Amber lens.

The original Red Lights, the one with the L549 Lens, on a LH & RH handed chrome bases, provided the Brake and Tail Light. If you've not got Brake & tail light then the wiring is probably wrong.

These changes will give you the effect shown on this photo taken of my car when I got him, the Indicator above the Tail/Brake light.
Note, the base of my rear lights is different to the ones you have, because he's a SII 1955.

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But if you don't currently have holes for indicators, you can consider adding them to the bumper, to save making holes in the wings.
This was discussed earlier today here: viewtopic.php?p=700047#p700047

As manyminors has said, you can put a clear Lens in a L488 Lamp, but unless you're prepared to have a White Indicator to the front, you'll need to get a LED lamp that combines Amber Indicator with a white side light.
The alternative is to have a side light in the headlamp.

[ManyMinors]

The rear light you have bought and pictured is a copy of the original Lucas stop and tail light. If you look at the close-up photo you've posted you can see that the bulb has 2 filaments: One for the brake light is brighter - 21watt and one for the tail light which is less bright - 5watt maybe. It sounds as if this is not connected - or not correctly. It should come on with the side lights. All the wiring for the side lights should be red. On a car of that age there is generally no fuse fitted for the side lamp circuit. I attach a photo of the similar, original rear light on my own car. This has always been both brake light AND side light on my car. I have an additional indicator light which was fitted later, underneath the bumper.

[ManyMinors]

At the front of my car, I chose the simplest way of adding a flashing indicator. I didn't want to fit the later, larger amber/clear combined side/flasher lamp so opted for the light pictured below. These were fitted to Minor 1000s as standard for a couple of years from 1961 and are perfectly adequate if you don't want to fit amber lights. These work as a simple side light but also have a brighter flashing indicator as well. The indicator is a clear light which is legal on cars upto 1965. I have never had any problem with this. As stated above, you can purchase LEDs if you want to be modern

[Maria1959morris]

Hi thanks for the help I am getting brake lights when touch the brake but no side lights from the light I think I need add earth to the brake light tbh

[geoberni]

Hi thanks for the help I am getting brake lights when touch the brake but no side lights from the light I think I need add earth to the brake light tbh

You've clearly got an earth of some sort because the Brake Light is coming on.... However...
I've not brought a replacement lamp, and your photo doesn't show it, but I'm assuming the Lamp Assembly doesn't come pre-wired.
Unsurprisingly, it needs 3 connections:

Green/Purple for Brake Light filament
Red for Side Light Filament
Black for Earth

When wiring them up you need to ensure the 2 supplies go to the correct connections. If really messed up, it's possible to make both filaments illuminate at the same time on a single input supply...
To be perfectly frank, the fact that we're having this discussion, doesn't give me any confidence in the abilities of your helper.
Connecting a rear/brake light assembly should not be this difficult.
There are clearly 3 connections, 2 for the lamp base contacts and 1 for the lamp case.
This is how it is connected....

Ignore the colours of the wiring on my car, it's to a different standard from yours.

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[Maria1959morris]

Have side lights when apply brake one light lights up with brake but then the opposite brake side light goes out until I release brake where it comes back to both side lights working

[Maria1959morris]

The lamp assembly came prewired with 2 wires red green

[Maria1959morris]

Okay let's try again without 300 words so my morris had later type brake light side lights combined indicator fitted I want to put the original 1959 rear brake side light on it. When removing rear lights there was 4 wires on each side on the new brake light there is 2 wires no place for earth which I already obv have due go getting rear side lights illuminating. When touching brake light one side illuminates where as the other side cuts out I am also getting number plate light . So what I'm trying to do is fit the rear lights and also add new indicators above them on wing here is a picture of the light frankly when removing my foot from.foot pedal. The side light that went out comes on just trying my best all I can do thansk

[Maria1959morris]

Even tried putting earth wire from light to body of car make no difference think one of the 4 wires on each side is earth

[Bill_qaz]

Your new light has two positive wires one for sidelight and one for brake light.
It requires an earth to work either through the fixing screw to to body or you will need to run a wire from the metal lamp base to the existing black earth wire from the original lamp you removed.
Or clean a suitable place around an existing body bolt and put a wire with ring terminal and connect the other end of the wire to the body of the lamp, this will need to be to both rear lights.

[geoberni]

So the replica is pre-wired with 2 cables.
Clearly they expect it to earth via the body, which is a bit of a mistake, electrically speaking.

one of the 4 wires on each side is earth

Do you mean in the car?
That's the Indicator, Side, Stop and Earth cables....
So long as the wiring you have is 'standard' just follow the wiring colours.

[Maria1959morris]

Thank God got it sussed out lighy fitted working thanks for the quick eyes I have also turned the number plate round the right way up lol

[Maria1959morris]

Love the new lights over moon with them so much nicer than other one it had just indicator still undecided prob put them on wing either on top above brake light or bottom right corner

[geoberni]

I don't understand why there is so much rubber gasket showing around the bottom end of the base; is that what was supplied?
I would expect an equal amount of black rubber showing all around the base...

[Maria1959morris]

Update on lights decided to buy bullet ones for rear bumper have tested indicator light on both sides of the rear working. Brake lights working side lights working . Front headlamps working front side lights working front drivers side indicator working front passenger not indicating found couple earth's need cleaned up and put back on tommorow . Also couple times headlamps have been indicating themselves strange maybe a bad earth. Cut holes in front wings for indicator lights they fit good so all in all alright fitted working apart from.passenger front indicator will update tomorrow thanks