I have already recorded that serial number and tpm from another speedo.
So far 1600 is the tpm for a Series MM mph speedo and 1000 is the tpm for a Series 11 mph speedo.
However 1000 also seems to be the tpk? for a Series MM kph speedo.
Next task is to find the serial number and tpk for a Series 11 kph speedo.
I shall be taking a look at overseas visitors cars at the national rally.
Hello from Italy....
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mike.perry
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Hello Rob,
thank your for the info about the chrome ring, I'll look for it. For Mike; if you really need the data on the back of the speedo I can ask my people to remove the speedometer to check when they remove the dash to repaint the panels.
I didn't notice one detail that can make a lot of difference in the restoration of our MM. Looking at the many excellent pictures of MMs at the Rallyes in the MM Register site (very informative and well made, by the way) I noticed that the moulding on the sides of the body was chromed, whilst on our car it has been painted black,
http://www.stefanopasini.it/Cars-Index_Morris_Minor.htm
When I had this MM repainted, 25+ yrs ago, nobody noticed this, so I am quite sure that the previous owner had painted those mouldings with the body, surely to save on the repainting costs, and the paint shop guys thought that it was like it had to be. The car looks much better with that chromed/polished stripe on the sides, though, especially as it is black, so I must have them removed, cleaned, chromed (or polished? I cannot tell exactly), and I'm afraid that the paint around the mouldings will not look good after the mouldings have been removed. A bit disappointing.....
Thanks for your support and have a nice week-end,
Stefano
thank your for the info about the chrome ring, I'll look for it. For Mike; if you really need the data on the back of the speedo I can ask my people to remove the speedometer to check when they remove the dash to repaint the panels.
I didn't notice one detail that can make a lot of difference in the restoration of our MM. Looking at the many excellent pictures of MMs at the Rallyes in the MM Register site (very informative and well made, by the way) I noticed that the moulding on the sides of the body was chromed, whilst on our car it has been painted black,
http://www.stefanopasini.it/Cars-Index_Morris_Minor.htm
When I had this MM repainted, 25+ yrs ago, nobody noticed this, so I am quite sure that the previous owner had painted those mouldings with the body, surely to save on the repainting costs, and the paint shop guys thought that it was like it had to be. The car looks much better with that chromed/polished stripe on the sides, though, especially as it is black, so I must have them removed, cleaned, chromed (or polished? I cannot tell exactly), and I'm afraid that the paint around the mouldings will not look good after the mouldings have been removed. A bit disappointing.....
Thanks for your support and have a nice week-end,
Stefano
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mike.perry
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Re: Hello from Italy....
Hi Stefano. I have all the info I need off your speedo, I need to do some more research on other speedos.
Is the moulding that you are refering to the body moulding that runs from the bonnet side through the door handles to the back of the car? If so then it should have a thin white line painted along it and there should also be a white circle around the wheels, I can give you the measurements.
If you look at OJO 206 on the Series MM website, members cars (1950) and on the rally photographs and also on the Oxon and Berks branch website, http://www.bucksinfo.net/mogbox/ it is in original condition and is how your car should look.
Is the moulding that you are refering to the body moulding that runs from the bonnet side through the door handles to the back of the car? If so then it should have a thin white line painted along it and there should also be a white circle around the wheels, I can give you the measurements.
If you look at OJO 206 on the Series MM website, members cars (1950) and on the rally photographs and also on the Oxon and Berks branch website, http://www.bucksinfo.net/mogbox/ it is in original condition and is how your car should look.
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Hi Mike,
yes, I am refering to that long body moulding in 4 parts that start on the sides of the bonnet and crosses the handles arriving to the back of the car. Sorry to ask (the car is not here so I must check it later) but is this moulding removable to be chromed (or polished) or is it fixed, like being part of the panels' pressing? In the pictures it looks like a chromed strip, but I may be wrong.
Thanks
Stefano
yes, I am refering to that long body moulding in 4 parts that start on the sides of the bonnet and crosses the handles arriving to the back of the car. Sorry to ask (the car is not here so I must check it later) but is this moulding removable to be chromed (or polished) or is it fixed, like being part of the panels' pressing? In the pictures it looks like a chromed strip, but I may be wrong.
Thanks
Stefano
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Re: Hello from Italy....
The piece on the bonnet comes off but it is painted the same colour as the car. All the rest is pressed into the steel panel in the factory so doesn't come off. The ridges do have a single stripe painted along them from front to back. Cars also have a chrome plate to cover the area where the door handle comes out but this part wasn't fitted to early cars so you don't need one. Best to paint the car and then carefully add a stripe. You can see here where the ridge is pressed in.[frame]
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Re: Hello from Italy....
Thank you very much, Rob! This is exactly what I needed to know.
Cheers
Stefano
Cheers
Stefano
Re: Hello from Italy....
Dear friends,
Anna's MM is being carefully disassembled and, as you can see, the chromed parts have been removed to be restored (most were badly rusted.) The guys at the garage didn't find anything to worry about, and I hope that things will go on like this.
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I received the NOS pull switches for the dashboard to replace the non-original toggle switches and I am writing a long(ish) list of spares that I shall have to order when it will be clear what we would really need to complete the restoration.
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In this picture you can see that somebody made a second hole for the passenger's side windscreen wiper and plugged the original hole with a rubber grommet (gone, of course). I don't know if it would be better to leave the arrangement of the wipers as is now, closing the original hole with a better grommet, or changing it back to the original layout. Much will depend from what we will find under the dashboard, I'm afraid.
Cheers
Stefano
Anna's MM is being carefully disassembled and, as you can see, the chromed parts have been removed to be restored (most were badly rusted.) The guys at the garage didn't find anything to worry about, and I hope that things will go on like this.
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I received the NOS pull switches for the dashboard to replace the non-original toggle switches and I am writing a long(ish) list of spares that I shall have to order when it will be clear what we would really need to complete the restoration.
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In this picture you can see that somebody made a second hole for the passenger's side windscreen wiper and plugged the original hole with a rubber grommet (gone, of course). I don't know if it would be better to leave the arrangement of the wipers as is now, closing the original hole with a better grommet, or changing it back to the original layout. Much will depend from what we will find under the dashboard, I'm afraid.
Cheers
Stefano
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Re: Hello from Italy....
It looks as though someone has converted the wipers from the original "clap hands" type to the later parallel type. You should be able to convert back to the original wipers and have the spare hole welded over whilst the bodywork is being done. Alternatively you can use the spare holes to fit windscreen washers if the car has not already got them. Where is your wiper motor? It should be behind the instrument panel on the right. If a later wiper set has been put in then it may be under the bonnet on the top of the left inner wing.
It also has the later 1098 Minor tail and indicator lights and it looks as though the trafficators behind the doors have been filled in. Possibly a safer option but you may wish to fit the originals.
I am also assuming that the car is a genuine tourer which should be on the Heritage Certificate, or if it has been converted then all the correct strengthening panels have been added. It is better to sort these things out whilst it is in the body shop.
Having looked back at the interior photos it looks like a genuine tourer, It occasionally happens that a car is sold as a tourer when in fact it is a two door with the roof cut off, which is ok as long as it is declared as such and has been converted properly.
If you list any spares you need then we can advise where to get them.
It also has the later 1098 Minor tail and indicator lights and it looks as though the trafficators behind the doors have been filled in. Possibly a safer option but you may wish to fit the originals.
I am also assuming that the car is a genuine tourer which should be on the Heritage Certificate, or if it has been converted then all the correct strengthening panels have been added. It is better to sort these things out whilst it is in the body shop.
Having looked back at the interior photos it looks like a genuine tourer, It occasionally happens that a car is sold as a tourer when in fact it is a two door with the roof cut off, which is ok as long as it is declared as such and has been converted properly.
If you list any spares you need then we can advise where to get them.
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Hello Mike,
I am waiting for the BMIHT Certificate that will tell us if the car is a genuine Tourer, as I would believe, or not. If it is a conversion, it is a remarkably well done job. I'll check the wipers and see if we can refit them with the original 'clap-hand' layout. Another choice would be to suppress the LH wiper completely, as our MM will be stricly a 'summer' car; I don't know if a car with a single wiper would pass the Italian MoT, though.
Under the dashboard I found some traces of maroon paint; probably this was the original colour. I remember (faintly) that the car was painted a sort of dull metallic pink/mauve when the MM was traded in, and that's why it was repainted. The choice of the black colour was my aunt's, and I would never refuse her any desire. Again, the Certificate will tell us.
Your mention of the original trafficators is very interesting; I am evidently quite dumb, as I didn't notice that the original MMs had trafficators behind the doors. I must also admit that I do not have the faintest idea of how a proper trafficator would work so I would be at a loss trying to reinstall them on our car. If anyone has the whole mechanism and levers etc I would be happy to purchase them and have them installed. They must look very, charming.
If you allow me to do so, I shall post the list of the spares I need next week, when the dismantling will be more or less complete. Thanks again!
Stefano
I am waiting for the BMIHT Certificate that will tell us if the car is a genuine Tourer, as I would believe, or not. If it is a conversion, it is a remarkably well done job. I'll check the wipers and see if we can refit them with the original 'clap-hand' layout. Another choice would be to suppress the LH wiper completely, as our MM will be stricly a 'summer' car; I don't know if a car with a single wiper would pass the Italian MoT, though.
Under the dashboard I found some traces of maroon paint; probably this was the original colour. I remember (faintly) that the car was painted a sort of dull metallic pink/mauve when the MM was traded in, and that's why it was repainted. The choice of the black colour was my aunt's, and I would never refuse her any desire. Again, the Certificate will tell us.
Your mention of the original trafficators is very interesting; I am evidently quite dumb, as I didn't notice that the original MMs had trafficators behind the doors. I must also admit that I do not have the faintest idea of how a proper trafficator would work so I would be at a loss trying to reinstall them on our car. If anyone has the whole mechanism and levers etc I would be happy to purchase them and have them installed. They must look very, charming.
If you allow me to do so, I shall post the list of the spares I need next week, when the dismantling will be more or less complete. Thanks again!
Stefano
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Hello,
things are improving on Anna's MM and I would like to thank Mike for his terrific support. Without his help (and reassuring words!) I would be in real trouble. Not that everything is so easy, but the situation is improving.
As you can see, the MM is being (slowly) reassembled:
http://www.stefanopasini.it/Cars-Index_Morris_Minor.htm
We kept the modified wiper assembly as refitting an original clap-hand layout was too complicated and the car would pass the Italian MoT with one wiper only.
I received the BMIHT certificate stating that the car was actually born as a Tourer but the colours were maroon with beige upholstery. As the black paint and upholstery of #28870 are very good, I couldn't decide to bring it back to the original specifications. I had to re-register the car with a new reg. number and I am still waiting for the papers, and I hope to have the car ready for the first driving tests and the MoT in 20-25 days, so I can use it while my Bristol is being repaired for one thing or another.....
Thank you all for your help, and all the best from Italy
Stefano
things are improving on Anna's MM and I would like to thank Mike for his terrific support. Without his help (and reassuring words!) I would be in real trouble. Not that everything is so easy, but the situation is improving.
As you can see, the MM is being (slowly) reassembled:
http://www.stefanopasini.it/Cars-Index_Morris_Minor.htm
We kept the modified wiper assembly as refitting an original clap-hand layout was too complicated and the car would pass the Italian MoT with one wiper only.
I received the BMIHT certificate stating that the car was actually born as a Tourer but the colours were maroon with beige upholstery. As the black paint and upholstery of #28870 are very good, I couldn't decide to bring it back to the original specifications. I had to re-register the car with a new reg. number and I am still waiting for the papers, and I hope to have the car ready for the first driving tests and the MoT in 20-25 days, so I can use it while my Bristol is being repaired for one thing or another.....
Thank you all for your help, and all the best from Italy
Stefano