How succesful was our stand at the nec classic car show

Post by **ssnjimb** » Sun Nov 22, 2009 10:31 pm

A big secret that we wont know. And anyway my original questions were not answered by any club officials i wonder why.

Post by **bmcecosse** » Sun Nov 22, 2009 10:36 pm

Seems odd they didn't bother to collect the entry stubs from visitors - which were worth £1 each to the Club I believe ? Did they not know this - or could they just not be bothered ?

Post by **carlosramalho** » Sun Nov 22, 2009 10:36 pm

Waiting for tomorrow today is a week end and I understand for the delay the NEC it was only on last week end and the people involved on that must be recovered for his perfect work . So I think is better to waiting for the next 2 or 3 days to have a full details about tha above amin question What are the results at NEC?
cheers
carlos

Post by **mike.perry** » Sun Nov 22, 2009 10:39 pm

Just what are we doing with £200K in the bank?

I was going to say that they are saving it for a rainy day but I think that is a bit tactless in view of the recent weather in Cumbria.
However if income starts to decrease it will not be long before the MMOC starts to dig into its reserves.

Post by **billlobban** » Mon Nov 23, 2009 8:55 am

[/quote]
I was going to say that they are saving it for a rainy day but I think that is a bit tactless in view of the recent weather in Cumbria.
However if income starts to decrease it will not be long before the MMOC starts to dig into its reserves.[/quote]

Surely Mike if income does begin to decrease then a well managed club has the ability to 'cut it's cloth'

Post by **mike.perry** » Mon Nov 23, 2009 9:40 am

I don't know how many people who use this website are / are not members of the MMOC and are therefore benefiting from the technical information available but it is up to the members to encourage others to join. The other side of the argument is "Why join when I can get the information for free?"

Post by **billlobban** » Mon Nov 23, 2009 9:58 am

I hadn't realised that it was possible to use the website without being a member. Maybe if it was a members only site then it would encourage people to join. I for one could not contemplate running a Minor without the technical back up provided by this site and the people who take the time to pass on years of experience - let me assure you it is much appreciated.

Post by **heathy12** » Mon Nov 23, 2009 10:13 am

jonathon wrote:Sorry I can no longer comment on this topic, having received a PM warning me to stop critising the MMOC. I therefore appologies for any offence that my comments caused.

Totally off topic, but.

I'd like to backup Jonathon totally on all he's said.
This club cant take any form of constructive feedback which is branded as Critisism.
Theres Huge problems in the organisation and flow of information of events, meets as highlighted, if these points are never raised and addressed by members then what're we all to do, put up with a faulty structure for a club to run by. None of his posts were of critisism, just making light of facts which we're all in turn part of.
Seriously guys, take the blinkers off and start standing up for yourselves, nothing will change in OUR club which we ALL have a say in. Freedom of speech and Constructive conversation should be encouraged not branded Offensive!

Im going to stop, my 2p's worth, not the first time someones been told off for rocking the boat and standing up for Members of the club we're all pleased to be in, as I am.

Post by **LouiseM** » Mon Nov 23, 2009 12:19 pm

Let's keep things in perspective

No one has been issued with an 'Asbo'. There are however T&C'S in place on this messageboard which everyone agrees to before signing up. They are not new, they have been here since the formation of the messageboard. These make it clear that the messageboard is not a forum for complaint and that if you have a question, concern or complaint about the MMOC you will contact the club official responsible.

People seem very impatient on here at times, expecting an almost immediate response to their questions. Ssnjimb posted his questions at 1pm on a Sunday afternoon and then posted "my questions were not answered by any Club official. I wonder why" when he had received no response by 11.30pm. Similarly following the AGM some people on here were demanding to be given details immediately, and implying that those who hadn't posted up a response to their questions were 'unhelpful'. I was even personally criticised for failing to provide details of a meeting that I hadn't actually attended! Athough members of the committee do visit this site bearing in mind the other things they do, all in their own time as volunteers, I think it is unreasonable to expect them to read every single post on this forum. Club information is disseminated via Branches and Minor Matters so it's not as though members are being kept in the dark about what's going on.

To go back to Ssnjimb's original question, I don't see how the number of ticket stubs collected will give an indication of how 'successful' the club stand was. It will just give an indication of how successful the ticket collecting was but judging by how busy everyone seems to have been over the 4 days it's not surprising that the collection of ticket stubs may not have been as successful as it could have been. The fact that the Club stand was visited by hundreds of people, who may well have been unaware of the Club's existance, has to be a good thing. I understand that over 20 new members were signed up, and a number of membership forms handed out.

With regards to how the Club's funds are spent, every member receives a copy of the accounts each year so can see for themselves - the details aren't 'hidden'. The public accounts do not itemise every single individual spend and purchase but this is standard procedure. I don't know of any Club, organisation or Company that posts up fully itemised details of their income and outgoings on the internet for all to see. This doesn't mean that there is a lack of transparency. As for how much it costs to print an issue of Minor Matters, I have no idea, but considerable savings have been made this year already due to changing publishers. The results will be available for all to see in next year's accounts.

Don't forget that it is the MMOC who provide this website. It is a great resource which is used by both members and non-members and I'm sure that most of us on here appreciate that

Post by **billlobban** » Mon Nov 23, 2009 1:04 pm

LouiseM wrote: Don't forget that it is the MMOC who provide this website.

The Club is not an entity in itself. It is the sum of it's members! From Thurso to Truro. Most of whom like me are highly appreciative of the club and what it does.
However many of us will never be able to attend an AGM (unless you move it to Inverness) and even branch meetings are out of the question for some. The only contact we have with other members is on this site.

So please dont stifle genuine debate. I've read nothing on here since I joined that was meant as anything other than constructive. Healthy informed critisism is no bad thing.

Post by **carlosramalho** » Mon Nov 23, 2009 1:16 pm

Louise
I signed that, that´s means I am 100% with you!
And we must not forget this site is used by members and not mebers, and is not so nice and polite " to wash our durty cloths" here.

Post by **heathy12** » Mon Nov 23, 2009 1:45 pm

carlosramalho wrote:Louise
I signed that, that´s means I am 100% with you!
And we must not forget this site is used by members and not mebers, and is not so nice and polite " to wash our durty cloths" here.

Thats not what were getting at.

The minute someone has something to ask or find out about the club and the running of it, even the club approved insurance scheme not being competitive for some members then Big brother slaps your wrist and tells you off.

Of course we're all obliged to follow the rules we signed up for so yes, we're all 100% with everyone else, there should be no divides as you make out, but when it comes to running the club there are huge problems within our little club which never get addressed as they should because of problems like these, no doubt this thread will be locked and constructive critism will be throttled once again!

Hey ho!

Didnt realise there was a show on, have just checked the mag, a one liner date and venue in the back, one 1/4 length paid advert which didnt catch my attention and a very no descript 1/4 page write up of the forthcoming event. Might've gone if it was made more of.

As a young member myself it would've been nice to have found out a little about the stand as im sure one of my cars might've been good on a stand trying to attract younger members! Anyone on here get any chance or input into the stand, I havent noticed a thing, obviously not in the click!

Anyone got any pictures??? Be nice to see the stand and vehicles involved in gettin the 'Youngtimers' interested our club.

Post by **LouiseM** » Mon Nov 23, 2009 2:14 pm

Plenty of photo's here Heathy - Cam took hundreds!

http://www.mmoc.org.uk/index.php?name=P ... ic&t=28706

Like many on here, I don't belong to a branch. My local one shut down years ago and I spend long periods working away from home so attending any branch meeting is impractical. I only managed to get to the AGM because I happened to be working fairly near to Derby at the time so, like many on here, I rely on information via this site, which is effectively my branch. No-one is 'stifling free speech', just ensuring that the T&C's are adhered to. Frequent breaches may well result in this site being shut down and I for one wouldn't want that to happen. As already stated, any concerns, queries etc you may have with regards to the running of the Club can be sent via the correct channels eg directly to the Club. It takes around the same amount of time to send an e-mail to the Club as it does to post it here and on the few occasions that I've had to contact them I've received a response pretty quickly. I don't see why contacting the Club directly is such an issue

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Post by **jonathon** » Mon Nov 23, 2009 2:22 pm

Louise,

The reason we do not contact the committee direct can be found in two of your own post on this very messageboard

I hope I haven't breached any T&C's but I'm getting increasingly frustated by the fact that there have been a lot of positive suggestions made on this site by people who are genuinely interested in the future of the club yet the chances of anyone that matters actually taking notice seems pretty slim.

I understand that the Committee are aware of this thread. Could one of you please make the effort to post a response and let the large number of members who use this site know that their suggestions are at least being considered?

If you are now telling us that things have changed, can you please explain how and when.

Now what was that about T and C's

Post by **bmcecosse** » Mon Nov 23, 2009 2:29 pm

Can you post up the email address for directly communicating with 'The Club ' ? Are such email read by all the committee ? Or just by whoever answers the phone in the office ?

Post by **jonathon** » Mon Nov 23, 2009 2:33 pm

Depends on whom you wish to contact Roy. The club office has an email address but so do individuals on the committee. Who's did you want, I have those for J Frye the chairman, and Ray Newell club secretary.

Post by **bmcecosse** » Mon Nov 23, 2009 2:36 pm

I think they should ALL be readily available - perhaps in a 'sticky' at the head of the site ? The names are all listed in section 5 of 'Welcome' - but not their email addresses. Even going to the 'Contacts' section - no email addresses there either!
Seems there are also two Webmasters - one on the Committee and one not ?

Post by **billlobban** » Mon Nov 23, 2009 2:38 pm

LouiseM wrote:PlentyFrequent breaches may well result in this site being shut down .

Louise shut down by whom. The site is clearly owned and operated by the MMOC on behalf of its members and as a member I would not wish to see it shut down. I feel sure that there are many members like me who really value the club and this forum.

Surely it would no harm whatsoever for the committee to enter into sensible dialogue with its members. It would bring them closer together for one. We all want the the club to succeed.

Should the club not wish to wash it's dirty linen in public then utilise the members only site for open discussions between members and their committee. Possibly publishing minutes of committee meetings would be a good start.

Post by **millerman** » Mon Nov 23, 2009 4:03 pm

It would be rather a negative approach for the club to shut this site down and certainly put forward a rather poor image of the MMOC.

We all know this would reverberate worldwide on the classic car forums and almost immediately another site would be used and/or set up.

When I first joined the MMOC there was no forum/fora(?) for classic cars and M Matters played a very important role to members; times have changed it appears the Club hasn't!

It must be remembered there are a lot of MMOC silver surfers out there whom I suspect follow these debates carefully so the Club should be using the members site to greater effect as Billoo so eloquently put

Post by **bmcecosse** » Mon Nov 23, 2009 4:26 pm

There is of course another Minor Forum - which was set up pretty much for the same reasons we are discussing now! It's very little used - which is a shame really - but is available..........
http://mog.myfreeforum.org/index.php