anti roll bar experiences please

Post by **bmcecosse** » Wed Jun 10, 2009 7:52 pm

Jono - the spirit level is good enough - we can't all run to fancy gauges. The Poundland ones may be a bit short - you want a long level that will span across the tyre sidewalls making a chord. Don't go for full diameter as the tyre bulge at the bottom will mess things up. Just use the level - and add suitable spacer (pencil/feeler gauges if you want to be really accurate/that sort of thing) between tyre and level until it's vertical. Or use a steel rule to measure the gap to make the gauge dead level. The point is to have them both the same - and certainly NOT +ve camber!

Post by **MarkyB** » Wed Jun 10, 2009 8:16 pm

Pah! you guys are no fun.
An iphone will display the actual number of degrees of camber (a piece of wood may help

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If we don't all buy stuff our economy will fail and the American economy too then we're doomed I tell you, doomed.

Warning, some of the above may have been written tongue in cheek.

Post by **bmcecosse** » Wed Jun 10, 2009 8:18 pm

iphone - whatever that is - sounds great. Can it really do that ??

Post by **MarkyB** » Wed Jun 10, 2009 8:37 pm

Absolutely, it was demonstrated to me on a canteen table.
It seemed remarkably accurate but massive overkill for that application

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For checking camber it could actually be useful rather than just a novelty.
Once I get my engine back together I may well try it because when I looked at the car when it was parked up for its MOT the camber on the drivers side looked horrible (bottom of the wheel further out than the top) I've had a good look at the eye bolts and they are both the same with regards to washers being fitted, and I don't think the chassis legs have been replaced.

Post by **jonathon** » Wed Jun 10, 2009 9:03 pm

BM , what's the point is guessing the camber. the visual difference between 1 and 5 degrees is hardly noticable so the setting performed by guesswork is a total waste of time, even more so as each wheel should be set up individually and not just transpose whats good for one side onto the other. If you aint going to do it properly ,then don't bother at all

Post by **bmcecosse** » Wed Jun 10, 2009 10:09 pm

Difference between 1 and 5 degrees negative is EXTREMELY noticeable - well to me it is anway! I gave the hint earlier - a pencil between top edge of tyre and sprit level when bubble is centred will be fine for a road car - make them both the same - won't go far wrong. Don't forget to reset the tracking afterwards - again easily done with a simple home-made gauge.
But for those with any doubts - I'm sure JLH will be happy to provide a camber checking/setting service!

Post by **jonathon** » Wed Jun 10, 2009 11:05 pm

S what do we use for the tracking then, a pencil,rule ans sticky back plastic I presume.

As I say if you are modifying the spec of the geometry or for that matter any mechanical mods, one make sure that you know why you are doing it, how to do it and measure it correctly, otherwise were back in the land of the bodger.

Post by **bmcecosse** » Wed Jun 10, 2009 11:11 pm

Home made gauge - dexion with fixed arms - steel rule to measure the gap. Tug it lightly against the front part of one tyre at hub height, and measure the gap at the other side, then compare with same idea on the rear part of the tyre. Gives the same answer each time if used 3 times - rolling the car forward 1/2 turn each time. It works!

Post by **jonathon** » Wed Jun 10, 2009 11:14 pm

What happens if you use it 4 times ehh!!

Post by **bmcecosse** » Thu Jun 11, 2009 12:06 am

Too tiring Jono - it works every time. I know it's not suitable for 'professional' use - its' a home made gauge for a home mechanic! It works for me - because I like to think I know what I am doing with it. I totally agree - if folks are not sure - they should seek good professional help with their cars' brakes and suspension.

Post by **simmitc** » Thu Jun 11, 2009 1:52 pm

Can an iphone act as a rev counter and a dwell meter as well? Can it toast crumpets and make tea?

Post by **bmcecosse** » Thu Jun 11, 2009 5:34 pm

It can probably toast your brain if held up to your ear too long!

Post by **MarkyB** » Thu Jun 11, 2009 9:32 pm

Like this?http://www.intomobile.com/2009/06/09/ip ... uster.html

Here is the spirit level apphttp://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2008/07/a-level-virtual/