les wrote: ↑Sat Sep 25, 2021 10:29 pm
A Dove can dive from a good height and at great speed. Their close relative, the pigeon received medals post ww2, not an Olympic medal but one just as important
American term for submarine personnel, "Submarinina's",
THEY must of DOVE too, thank heavens "Das Boot" was German!
Further investigations uncovered it was an inside job!!
Out of interest, apparently the majority of left handed people use the accepted ‘right handed’ way. So my term normal, in this case, should still apply
Things like ppl identifing themselves as "gender neutral", "Yoofs" who adopt some form of Jamaican accent, "Train" station - heard recently on R4 - in fact, EVERYTHING tends to irritate me.
University educated ppl thorougly absorbed by reality shows, modern "music" - gone are the days of Roxy Music & Pink Floyd - melodic songs played using proper instruments.
Go further....proper Comedy, not this childish nonsence where a rude word will have the audience fallling about in raucious laughter...
Moan, moan, moan....
Further investigations uncovered it was an inside job!!
Have you oldies not considered that you might have just stopped actively seeking out new culture, and the old media organisations you follow operate on a business model of blethering on about how awful everything is to get web traffic?
It’s not all bad but if you’re young you don’t know what things were like in the past to make the comparison, however there were issues then of course but there were limits, unlike now.
‘You’ve got to be older to appreciate blackbirds’
Memory has a funny habit of being selective, over-rehearsing positive memories, making one more comfortable as the past is by definition more certain than the present or future, and confirming the biases one has at the time of recollection. As such it can basically become myth. Even the ancient Athenians moaned that they were in decline after a purported previous golden age!
There is quite a bit of interesting research literature around the subject.
That said, I agree that some things have gotten worse, but I don't think they're the things others in the thread might think. The exception being the diminishing ability to be able to and to be allowed to repair ones own cars and appliances, I'd expect consensus here there!
Monty-4 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 7:25 pm
Memory has a funny habit of being selective, over-rehearsing positive memories, making one more comfortable as the past is by definition more certain than the present or future, and confirming the biases one has at the time of recollection. As such it can basically become myth. Even the ancient Athenians moaned that they were in decline after a purported previous golden age!
There is quite a bit of interesting research literature around the subject.
That said, I agree that some things have gotten worse, but I don't think they're the things others in the thread might think. The exception being the diminishing ability to be able to and to be allowed to repair ones own cars and appliances, I'd expect consensus here there!
"GOTTEN" is yet ANOTHER Americanism I hate!
Invading distant lands, causing untold mayhem & suffering to the inhabitants they're quite good at, language, not so good!
Further investigations uncovered it was an inside job!!
The huge list of example sentences in the OED suggests that gotten reigned supreme until the late 1500s, when got increasingly appeared in its place. Shakespeare and Hobbes used both. Got seems to have overtaken gotten around 1700.
Geoffrey Chaucer (Legend of Good Women, c1386): Ffor he woste wel she wolde nat ben geten
John Paston (letter, 1477): The Frenshe Kynge hathe gothen many off the townys off the Dukys off Borgoyne
Myles Coverdale (Bible translation, 1535): Treasures that are wickedly gotten, profit nothinge
William Shakespeare (Henry VI pt 2, c1591): Jack Cade hath gotten London Bridge
Shakespeare (Henry VI pt 3, c1591): The Army of the Queene hath got the field
Walter Raleigh (letter, 1618): I had gotten my libertye
Richard Whitlock (Zootomia, 1654): they should have got a whipping
John Evelyn (letter, 1690): I have now gotten me a pair of new horses
George Berkeley (Alciphron, 1732): Some old Ideas may be lost, and some new ones got
John Stepple (testimony at the Old Bailey, 1742): I would go and fetch a Constable, for he had got the Thief
Usage commentators eventually noticed the change, but too late to do anything about it. Robert Lowth’s popular Short Introduction to English Grammar (1762) complained about “a very great Corruption, by which the Form of the Past Time is confounded with that of the Participle” – including the use of got instead of gotten. Lowth said: “This confusion prevails greatly in common discourse, and is too much authorised by the example of some of our best Writers.”
Maybe Lowth was thinking of Samuel Johnson, whose dictionary, seven years earlier, had uncritically listed both got and gotten as options for the past participle of get. Neither Johnson nor Lowth commented on the difference between static and dynamic situations.
And then in 1795, Lindley Murray’s blockbuster English Grammar declared that gotten was “obsolete”. That’s an overstatement, but by then it was uncommon, at least in standard usage. It partly survived in some nonstandard dialects (such as in Scotland and Ireland), as well as in the fossilised phrase ill-gotten gains. And there British English stayed for the best part of two centuries."