modified concourse??

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Wed Jun 30, 2004 9:40 pm

Judge
For quite a while now I've wanted to go in for concourse with a moggie. But I like my creature comfort modifications. I remember reading in a magazine somewhere about a modified concourse class, is my memory correct of being such a class?
And if so how does it work? Are we talking only period modifications and conversions from period vehicles or anything is ok and judged on condition and quality of job?

cheers, Daniel

Post by **Robins** » Wed Jun 30, 2004 9:44 pm

Opps forgot to log in before posting that, strange as it usually ask me to log in first. twas me asking anyway.

cheers, Daniel

Post by **Kevin** » Thu Jul 01, 2004 2:21 pm

a modified concourse class,

That would not be possible as the concours cars have a set criteria and marks awarded for condition and originality as the cars were when new, Modified would have to have an exact set of rules as well which would make only certain mods possible so all cars would be judged equally, whereas the new Modified register breaks it down into sections and then the overall condition taken into account, one or the hardest to judge is the working Minors as these work for a living and to keep them at show standards would be very difficult if not impossible as they are daily drivers, sorry to have gone on a bit but its just how I understand the rules and no my car is miles away from a concours car unless rust

is now part of the criteria

Post by **Judge** » Thu Jul 01, 2004 6:17 pm

Well Daniel, I think Kevin has summed it up nicely. My family also like their creature comforts and we all drive Minors as everyday transport which have been modified in one way or another, and as Kevin says these are miles away from concours cars.
If you really are into showing a modified car, take a look at www.trikes.freeserve.co.uk/modified/register.htm

Post by **fweddy** » Fri Jul 02, 2004 2:20 am

While restoring my ute I've been battling with having it totally original and having fun with modifications.

I've found the compromise! Totally original Ute - Modified Van.

Here in NZ we have a class for standard restored (concours) and standard maintained (original with a few modernizations - Radials, screw on extras etc.) Some of these are daily drivers. Then there is the sections of lightly modified, moderately modified, radically modified etc.

Post by **d_harris** » Wed Aug 04, 2004 11:48 am

Sorry, I thought I'd add my two pen'th in to this. Although a bit late......

The Ford XR register have modified class for concourse, surely it wouldn't be too hard to instigate one for moggies!

Post by **Cam** » Wed Aug 04, 2004 12:05 pm

Based on overall condition as opposed to originality presumably. Hmmm..... might work, but then we have the age old problem of taking the mods into account. Does a shiney car with disc brakes fair a better chance than a slightly scruffier fully modified V8? Difficult one.

Post by **d_harris** » Wed Aug 04, 2004 12:10 pm

Thats how it works with the fords........ and its worked pretty well for the last year. It would also mean that a whole lot more people would be able to get in to concourse with their mogs. There are some absolutly immaculate modded ones out there

Post by **Kevin** » Wed Aug 04, 2004 2:33 pm

Thats how it works with the fords........ and its worked pretty well for the last year.

Well Dan I think you should run it if its that easy, there is enough conflict within the self judging classes and non concours sections to drive the judges mad without making them concours standards try a bit of judging and you will see what happens and who will make up the rules and guidelines and where will you find the judges.

Post by **rayofleamington** » Wed Aug 04, 2004 2:50 pm

Yup - that's the problem with modified - do you judge on:
1) Whether you like the mods (personal choice / use of BMC parts etc..)
2) How modified it is (ie the more mods, the more points) regarless of shoddy bodywork
3) Bodywork and paint etc.. like concours (eg a concourse car with some minor upgrades)

Each of these have their own merits, but are in conflict with each other.

Post by **pskipper** » Wed Aug 04, 2004 3:20 pm

you could judge on overall elegance of the modification idea, do the modifications produce a harmonious vehicle, no point in putting a V8 in if it still has drum brakes etc. It's said that this was the way Sir Alec worked when he designed the car.

Post by **rayofleamington** » Wed Aug 04, 2004 3:44 pm

do the modifications produce a harmonious vehicle

but is that a harmonios vehicle that is good for track days but useless onn the road, or a car that is just more user friendly? This seems more like opton 1 - where it's just personal choice.

The benefit of concours is that there is a very specific target and logical rules about how to award points etc..

Post by **d_harris** » Wed Aug 04, 2004 4:29 pm

Fair enough. theres no way I have the time to try and organise anything though. I hardly have time to eat at the moment.

Post by **Rasputin** » Wed Aug 04, 2004 4:40 pm

Dan_Harris wrote:Fair enough. theres no way I have the time to try and organise anything though. I hardly have time to eat at the moment.

Post by **d_harris** » Wed Aug 04, 2004 4:49 pm

oh, and i don't even have enough organisational skills to know what I am meant to be doing in an hours time! Darned Dyspraxia!!!!